Doctor Leroy

Debunking RFK Jr.’s Health Claims YouTube video by Doctor Mike

I agree with Dr. Mike. RFK Jr should resign, and we should all be demanding it. youtu.be/i0q_Oj425cU?...

Its not my fault that social media has trained so many people to lack the capacity to read beyond 300 characters, or perhaps be so traumatized by actual antivaxers that you make false assumptions and dog pile an ally when they say something critical of anyone on “our side”

Correct. Considering I’ve said multiple times in this thread that everyone should be vaccinated and have never, a single time, said anything antivax or that anything even remotely negative about the MMR or its efficacy and safety.

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The clinical outcomes in vaccinated groups (in both Texas and Ghana) would be superior to the clinical outcomes in either unvaccinated groups, because no one in the vaccinated groups would get measles.

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Yes, I would agree that vaccination rates are unimportant when comparing clinical outcomes in two UNVACCINATED populations, because both have a vaccination rate of 0%. So the differences in outcomes between groups must be due to other factors.

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I’m sorry, I assumed everyone old enough to use this app has the capacity to both read and count. I’ll correct that assumption

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Actually, please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that I think we should “throw away the advantages of having access to vaccines”?

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But, since I’ve learned this lesson, let me remind anyone reading that BOTH GROUPS SHOULD HAVE BEEN VACCINATED. No one should ever get measles, as we have the means to prevent 100% of cases, and we should use it. I’d go so far as to support mandatory vaccination, enforceable by law

The difference in outcomes is due to access to clean water, access to clinics and hospitals, access to clean food, access to shelter, the child’s previous nutritional status, etc. Mennonite’s in Texas live much different lives than kids in Ghana.

What? We are comparing unvaccinated kids in Texas to unvaccinated kids in Ghana. Both groups are unvaccinated. Both groups are infected with measles. The difference in outcomes aren’t due to vaccination status, as both groups are unvaccinated. Apparently it is rocket science

The difference between me and a RFK jr apologist is that I linked data refuting the other guys claims and/or supporting mine. When RFK says “there are no safe or effective vaccines” he has no data to stand on. Criticizing a pro vaccine person isn’t anti-science if I’m following data and not memes

Though I’ll give you and the others some benefit of the doubt; the original post got deleted, so it’s probably difficult to see the contexf

“It could be 0% and I’d still encourage everyone to vaccinate their kids against measles (and mumps/rubella). “

Is that not plain English enough? People shouldn’t misjudge me for words I never said. You’re being tribal and assuming I’m on the other team because I point out a falsehood on our side

It’s not that I find it a non issue, it’s that such data is irrelevant to populations with more resources. You’d be comparing apples to oranges, very non scientific

Spoiler warning: the answer to your question is zero. I’ve given that exact answer already to a few others in this thread who implied that I’m either antivax or don’t take measles seriously, all because I had the audacity to question someone who’s “on our side”.

You’re the 4th person to apparently conclude that I’m not 100% supportive of MMR vaccines. Simply because I am familiar enough with historic measles data that I’m calling bullshit on a made up 16% IMR claim (that the OP can’t even support). Maybe read the entire conversation first

You’re correct. Everyone should be vaccinated against MMR and it’s foolish to not be

It could be 0% and I’d still encourage everyone to vaccinate their kids against measles (and mumps/rubella).

Don’t falsely conclude that I’m anti vax or don’t take measles seriously just because I’m pointing out a falsehood. The original post suggested a IMR of 16% in the US, which is insane

In theory? Yes. In practice, they’re quite the opposite and are there to protect doctors whether they are logical/ethical or not. You’d have to do something illegal or practice under the influence to get your license revoked

1-4% is still REALLY BAD. Measles is the most contagious disease known to man and can cause lots of other complications. We should be doing everything we can to vaccinate and address this outbreak. But that doesn’t mean we should lie and make it sound even worse

Where did I say that? I’m arguing that the original poster’s claim of 16% fatality rate has no evidence to support; it was made up. The truth about measles is scary enough, there’s no reason to tolerate lies making it even scarier. 16% fatality rate is crazy high, it’s like closer to 1-4%

I understand that perfectly well. I’m a physician. I continue to vaccinate every child in my clinic and have made three pop up clinics to give boosters to those born before 1980 who never got a live vaccine/2nd vaccine as a child. Measles is serious.

I agree

What part of this data detracts from my criticism Kevin? None of this appears to suggest the CFR for infants approaches anywhere near 16%.

Measles is dangerous. Everyone should get vaccinated if they aren’t already. I’ve vaccinated a few dozen adults in my clinic the last few weeks, and routinely vaccine hundreds of kids every year. But misinformation is dangerous whether it under or oversells the risk. You’re overselling

Because medical outcomes vary drastically between the developed world and the developing world. Still waiting on that source

Do you honestly believe that 16% of infants diagnosed with measles will die? Specifically in the developed world, and more specifically in the current outbreak centered around western Texas

Kevin, all of the countries in this review were developing countries. Are you suggesting we compare clinical outcomes in the USA to those in Gambia? Also, as your figure shows, the majority of CFRs were significantly under 16 as the original poster suggests.

Age-specific measles mortality during the late 19th–early 20th centuries Measles mortality fell prior to the introduction of vaccines or antibiotics. By examining historical mortality reports we sought to determine how much measles mortality was due to epidemiological fact...

“Measles mortality/100 000 population in Australia in 1883–1884 was reported as 1250 for the <5 years age group”

In Australia, 140 years ago, the death rate in kids 5 and younger was 1.25%. I already linked this source, but I assume you’re too lazy to read

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...